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MakaveliTrained2003

Joined: 17 Jan 2003

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Awesome theory Posted: 12 Jun 2003 05:28 AM
props to westafrica at musicfantalk its kind of confusing and long but its worth reading Pay perfect attention to this theory, and you'll see something new ! Pay attention to every piece of the lyrics in "Mourn you till I join you". Verse 1 : "It was 90' on the PE Tour when we mashed. Damn, DON'T EVEN SEEM LIKE 7 YEARS PAST. Both rodies NOW homies out the hood ON THE SCENE. You did the humpty with the U, I did the one with the Queen. IT WAS A DREAM" ^^^First, do you notice he mentions "7 YEARS" here ?? However, '90 to 96' ain't even 7 years so don't even bother going there. Let me help you out. Treach is trying to tell us that Pac is alive because, notice he also says, NOW him and Pac are out the hood ON THE SCENE. "NOW" is PRESENT TENSE y'all. When talking about what the dead was doing on earth, you're supposed to use PAST TENSE, but he talks as if him and Pac are NOW ON THE SCENE. Doesn't sound right. This is a secret clue about Pac being back after 7 years, and even though you doubt it now, you'll understand why by the end of this theory. Also in the 1st verse Treach says, "Male groupies got dissed and got the hell out of dodge. THEY WERE BLINDED WHEN THE GOOD SHINED THROUGH" ^^^Another clue which adds to the Sunshine theory! But notice he uses PAST TENSE . He says "when the good SHINNED THROUGH" just like he tells us " 7 YEARS PAST". Isn't Pac supposed to be dead in the song ? Why were they blinded ?? If he were alive I'll understand why they were blinded. LMAO !!! Now, the 3rd verse is the part which has all the good stuff so stay focused !! "They propped you up, LOCKED YOU UP when you did "Above The Rim". THEY LET YOU OUT, you called us, we came and THUGGED AGAIN. We would hear, 'ah ha ! Rapist !!', they'd shout. Y'all was talkin things that you y'all didn't know a damn thing bout !!" ^^^Now pay attention !!!! It's clear that this line is telling us about what had happened before and after the 94 shooting right !! ?? It tells us that Pac got LOCKED UP AND RELEASED, right !!?? Treach said, "you called us, we came and thugged again, so that means that this is about the time when Suge had bailed him out of jail, and Pac signed with Deathrow right !!?? Now, make sure you keep that part of the verse in mind through out this theory because your eyes are about to be opened . NOW WATCH !!! ha ha ha ha ha !!! A little after the above was said, Treach says, "Forget the press, forget the world. LIFE GOES ON WHEN YO DIE!! Forget the courts, forget the judge, and every trick that lied !" Then notice !!! Treach then says, "A LITTLE TIME TICKED BY. My whole night got rocked. My lady waking me up yellin, 'Trach, PAC GOT SHOT !" ^^^Now, notice he specifies that "a little time ticked by" to tell us that this happened after a while. Remember,before he had already told us that Pac got locked up and let out when he did "Above the Rim" right !!?? So, now that a little time had ticked by, and his lady is waking him up to tell him that PAC HAD GOT SHOT, means that this is actually about the 96 Vegas shooting !!!! NOW WATCH !!!! Then Treach says, "Soon as I get there, I find Afeni urgin me, 'think I missed my baby, don't leave after surgery'. So I lookin in her eyes while they walking me through, thinkin Pac hard head, what the hell I'ma do ? SO WE KICK IT. I say, 'stay there', and asked what you need. YOU SAID, 'A POUND FOR COMIN PARTNER AND A HIT OF SOME WEED. SO I ASKED YOU NOT TO GO OVER and oh, but God knows, YOU JUST SMILED AND SAID, 'HOMIE, HELP ME GET ON MY CLOTHES" ^^^Now, this is all symbollic for what was going on in the hospital in Vegas. Notice Pac is asking for a pound and weed. Treach asked him "not to go over" and oh, but God knows, PAC SMILED and said, "homie, help me GET ON MY CLOTHES. Now this is the first sign that Pac didn't die !!!!! It's a symbollic story, but also a very big clue !! Why did Pac smile ?? What happened to the operation on his LUNGS ?????? Then see what Treach says right after that : "SO WE GOT OVER THAT, you held up, GOT LOCKED, I dropped ?? ??? ??? ??? ???. THEY HAD YOU CAGED WHEN I STOPPED. Yeah the chain remains, plus you was a part of my link. THEY MESSED UP BY GIVING YOU TOO MUCH TIME TO THINK" ^^^Do you notice the very first line ! ? He says, "so we got over that" !!! Got over what they was doing in the hospital in 96 !!??? Ahhh HE DIDN'T SAY THAT PAC DIED !! He then tells us that PAC HELD UP and GOT LOCKED !!! He says, "they had you CAGED". Then notice he says " THEY MESSED UP by giving you too much time to think'!! Well, how did they mess up if Pac died !!?? The answer is that Pac DIDN'T DIE , and that's the point which Treach is trying to make secretly!! Now tell me, how did the facts go from Pac's lung getting removed to Pac getting locked up in a CAGE? Could this be why most of Pac's songs are made to look like Pac was telling us that he was in jail ? Ahhhh, now it's starting to sink in ! LMAO!!! Then see how Treach tells us about the 2nd coming : Right after the above was said, he says, "I REMEMBER YOUR RELEASE WHEN WE MET UP IN L.A., at the bill you gettin blazed, Henneyed down with the hay. After that, you blew up. A MADE NIGGA platinum plus, ADDICTED TO DRAMA. A SOLDIER WITH A NATION OF THUGS. NOW WE in these SAVAGE AGES. Even you yourself predicted that LAST NIGHT in VEGAS" ^^^ha ha ha ha !!! This is a hidden clue about Pac's 2nd coming, back to LA, but Treach hides it by disguising the lyrics to make it look like when pac got released in 95, and you can tell from the way he says "you blew up"..."platinum plus". But still, Treach had already before told us that Pac got locked up and released when he did "Above the rim", so this is real freaky right here ! Also Treach still hasn't told us yet that PAC DIED at the hospital in Vegas !! ha ha ha ha !! Also any smart alive theorist knows that Pac is to return in the future to ride with his ONE NATION of thugs !! BUT !!!! Treach says NOW WE in these savage ages. Even you yourself predicted that LAST NIGHT in Vegas" !!! ^^^ha ha ha ha !!! LMAO !! Theory closed ! "NOW" is PRESENT TENSE, and Treach is saying that, NOW...WE>(Treach and PAC) are in these SAVAGE AGES, and even you(PAC who is NOW in these savage ages) predicted that LAST NIGHT in VEGAS. Hello ??? Do you remember my "NIGHT and MORNING" theory in which I explained the term "LAST NIGHT" which is a sign that Pac and Outlawz use in their lyrics to tell us that they've made it through the LATE NIGHT and they're now in the NEW DAY or the MORNING ! Understand this ! Pac's lyrics are ahead of time, and when he says "LAST NIGHT", it's in refernce to the present being behind him. Treach is trying to tell us that him and Pac made it to the morning just like Pac's lyrics suggests that Pac made it to the morning. Nah, y'all still don't get it !! VEGAS 96 was LAST NIGHT !!!!!! ha ha ha ha !! You guys are blind !! Even in "Soon as I get home", Pac says " started a war but now I'M GONE. Release me to the streets in the MORNING" Can't you see that Treach tells us that Pac was locked in a CAGE and got released back to L.A. This now explains the 1st verse : "Damn, don't even seem like 7 YEARS PAST. Both rodies NOW homies out the hood ON THE SCENE " "NOW WE in these savage ages. Even you yourself predicted that LAST NIGHT in Vegas" "They were BLINDED when the good SHINNED THROUGH" Now, dont these lines tell you that PAC IS BACK after 7 YEARS??? ha ha ha !!!! Notice how Treach uses "NOW" to talk about the him and Pac in the PRESENT ! And did you ever notice that in "When I get Free" (UTEOT version), Pac says , "Nigga disrespect me first, nigga getting scarred. I'M BACK ON THE SCENE !" The SCENE is the WAR/ DRAMA SCENE that everybody is about to WATCH ! Now, notice Treach tries to kill all the alive clues and even blind us more at the end of the track when he says, "My homie once again damaged a part of his heart right here in Venice" ^^^Venice ?? What the fuck is he talking about ??? And why didn't he even tell us that Pac died at the hospital ?? Just like 3rd verse "Thug Mansion" huh ? Controversy. Now the background VOCAL CLUES in this song tell us that PAC DIED AND CAME BACK !! There are 2 of them !! (1) At the end of teh 2nd verse, in the background at 2:19, you hear Treach says, "YOU AIN'T GOT TO WORRY ABOUT HOW LONG I'MA MOURN YOU. I'MA KEEP YOUR NAME ON THE STREETS" then after Treach had told us about the 96 shooting and pac gettin caged up after that, when Treach is saying " I remember your release and we met up in LA", in the background at 3:35, you hear Treach say, "WHAT'S UP NIGGA !! ?...BACK ON THE STREETS !!" ^^ LMAO!!! ha ha ha ha !!! look, the 1st vocal talks about how long they would mourn him, but the 2nd one talks about him being BACK ON THE STREETS !! 2nd coming y'all !!!! ha ha ha ha ha !!!!! give up guys !! Give up !! WEST is blessed with the gift to see what you can't see !! Time to ride with me !!! Don't listen to them phonies any more !! follow me !!! follow me now !!!!! I'll take you to Pac !!!!! Time to ride with me !!! If an RIP song gives clues, then you haters have got a BIG problem on your hands . ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!
"Its not about east and west...its about niggaz and bitches..power and money..ridahz and punks..which side are you on?" "fuck em all who dont understand my plot to get richer..much more than 6 figures..a muthafuckin made nigga"

Tupac&Outlawz4Eva;

Joined: 23 Jan 2003

Total Posts: 1004

Re: Awesome theory Posted: 12 Jun 2003 06:01 AM
WOW!! i gotta applaud u for that MakaveliTrained2003!! that has to be one of the BEST theories so far! good job! ur makin me believe he's 100% alive again!! THANK U!!
"I got shot 5 times but I'm still breathin' Livin' proof there's a God if you need a reason" - Tupac Shakur - Letter 2 My Unborn "Suge's the real Simon, so fuck American Idol" - Crooked I - Get Off Tha Block

Tupac4life03

Joined: 04 Jun 2003

Total Posts: 8

Re: Awesome theory Posted: 12 Jun 2003 06:02 AM
Damn,well done ur theory is really interesting and It gives me some hope that he is alive.nice post

shuvit

Joined: 01 Mar 2003

Total Posts: 324

Re: Awesome theory Posted: 12 Jun 2003 06:25 AM
yes that was long, How many platinum albums did pac have before he died, i thought they only came after he died, if the did that could be a clue as well!!! also the part about "even u predicted that nite in vegas" is wicked sweet!! peace ya'll!!!! lataz!
Representin

tupac | heja

Joined: 27 Apr 2003

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Re: Awesome theory Posted: 12 Jun 2003 08:07 AM
I LOVE U MAN.... nice post Good work on the post really good theory gotta hand it to ya.

AzN_Iv3rSoN

Joined: 31 May 2003

Total Posts: 20

Re: Awesome theory Posted: 12 Jun 2003 08:58 AM
Unbelievable......It's very solid evidence...I am still awaiting that day.... pz

Intellect.

Joined: 15 Apr 2003

Total Posts: 594

Re: Awesome theory Posted: 12 Jun 2003 07:37 PM
That was really good. I agree with most of it. One thing that seemed a little off. When He talks about him leaveing the hospital. Treach is with him, then he says he got locked down (which implies that he was locked down a 2nd time) The only way , that could happen & people not know about it would be through Witness Protection. Notice he says, the chains remain. But it's unclear as to where he may have gone after that, because he says they gave him toomuch time to think. To me, that implies Pac came up with another plan. Did anyone notice that part. West Africa sort of over looked that area. "SO WE GOT OVER THAT, you held up, GOT LOCKED, I dropped ?? ??? ??? ??? ???. THEY HAD YOU CAGED WHEN I STOPPED. Yeah the chain remains, plus you was a part of my link. THEY MESSED UP BY GIVING YOU TOO MUCH TIME TO THINK" I agree --that he didnt die, but alot more went down.

MakaveliTrained2003

Joined: 17 Jan 2003

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Re: Awesome theory Posted: 12 Jun 2003 08:19 PM
"(which implies that he was locked down a 2nd time) " i dont think he meant literally locked up. "you aint gotta be in jail to be doing time"
"Its not about east and west...its about niggaz and bitches..power and money..ridahz and punks..which side are you on?" "fuck em all who dont understand my plot to get richer..much more than 6 figures..a muthafuckin made nigga"

davidboudestein

Joined: 18 Mar 2003

Total Posts: 69

Re: Awesome theory Posted: 12 Jun 2003 10:50 PM
GOOOOOOOD SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! peace from holland! respect too makavelitrained2003!!!!!!!!!!!

the_don_916

Joined: 10 Jun 2003

Total Posts: 38

Re: Awesome theory Posted: 12 Jun 2003 10:54 PM
wow that was interasting... i'm listenin to the song over and ove now...
he aint dead...i know he's not

Intellect.

Joined: 15 Apr 2003

Total Posts: 594

Re: Awesome theory Posted: 13 Jun 2003 12:03 AM
Yeak makavelitrained2003, That's my point exactly. You dont have to be locked up to be doing time. But It is possible. In Witness Protection there is a actual Jail where they keep witnesses, who may have made a deal, but must serve time. Then there is "free"-witness in protective custody who can be hid in any state & just about any country. Some have been moved several times to diffrent locations because of safety concerns etc. If he is telling a story (As West Africa presents it) The events are in order . He talks a bout Pac Leaving the Hospital, then he says he get's locked down. That would be for the 2nd time.

OnlyGodCanJudgeMe

Joined: 30 May 2003

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Re: Awesome theory Posted: 13 Jun 2003 02:30 AM
Damn, Makavelitrained 2003, once again gotta give you props. That was some shocking clues man, Makaveli is coming back!!!

troublesum '03

Joined: 28 Dec 2002

Total Posts: 1002

Re: Awesome theory Posted: 13 Jun 2003 05:40 AM
thats a good theory, probably best one west africa has made, cuz he alwayz comes up wit all dis stupid shit,trying to find clues in songs like"I get around" and shit
Only God can judge Me so all u muthafuckaz get out my buziness

MAMALUV

Joined: 26 May 2003

Total Posts: 14

Re: Awesome theory Posted: 13 Jun 2003 06:49 AM
oh my nigga's the light is shining bright now ain't it as long as you believe my nigga's he got a spot for you up under his wings of love and peace,given by god ....so clean up hip hip because the king of hip hop is to return as i've been telling you.... and let me tell you ....he know his god in a way that haters you are doomed.....because him and god has a plan to restore hip hop....and the way the players have changed the game and violated to get the glory(it's going to be a shame)see pac ani't never kill nobody to get his glory....it was given by god.....thats why it wasn't for the riches and fame....it was for the love of the game....and the gift given by our god....remember what these forums repersenting the king should hold within them....he going to be mad as hell if you use his name in vain.....and he do be peeping in on all forums that speak his name because he is a changed man,....and nothing is the same.....not even his name(smile)hahahahahahahahahahaha(YALL JUST DON'T KNOW)

Stevo1395

Joined: 18 Jan 2003

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Re: Awesome theory Posted: 14 Jun 2003 06:15 AM
yep

crazy_baller420

Joined: 04 Apr 2003

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Re: Awesome theory Posted: 24 Jun 2003 10:05 AM
nice theory u maked its like the before alive theory out there peace

stuncrazy

Joined: 22 Jan 2003

Total Posts: 32

Re: Awesome theory Posted: 26 Jun 2003 12:09 AM
im surprised logical hasn't replied trying to prove it wrong

Tupac&Outlawz4Eva;

Joined: 23 Jan 2003

Total Posts: 1004

Re: Awesome theory Posted: 26 Jun 2003 10:11 AM
he hasnt been postin in a long time.
"I got shot 5 times but I'm still breathin' Livin' proof there's a God if you need a reason" - Tupac Shakur - Letter 2 My Unborn "Suge's the real Simon, so fuck American Idol" - Crooked I - Get Off Tha Block

TwOoGhEttO4u

Joined: 25 Jul 2003

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Re: Awesome theory Posted: 09 Aug 2003 10:01 AM
good theory, real good.......but "However, '90 to 96' ain't even 7 years so don't even bother going there" um last time i checked 90 to 96 is 7 years, 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 1 2 3 4 5 6 7

JaysunnC

Joined: 03 Feb 2003

Total Posts: 66

Re: Awesome theory Posted: 10 Aug 2003 09:19 AM
nah the song was made in '97 as a tribute to 2pac, it was on the "in his own words" CD that came out early 97. When he's rapping, he's saying, 7 years has passed, he's saying that since 90, it's been seven years since he first met up with pac, and now it's 1997.
Jason Covington

pacmakaveli213

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Re: Awesome theory Posted: 11 Aug 2003 09:23 PM
Hey Stun i didnt realize you posted here too...I rarely ever come here its me Realest
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