This clearly shows that he is alive Posted: 05 Aug 2003 12:48 AM
(Verse 1:2pac,Aint Hard 2 Find)
I heard rumor I died,murdered in cold blood traumatized,pictures of me in my final stage,you know mama cried,but that was fiction,some coward got tha story twisted,like I no longer existed,mysteriously missin,although im worldwide,I aint hard 2 find;....
this shows that he is alive and he is talking about his autopsy photo,and he said it was fiction...what more proof do you need?
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Re: This clearly shows that he is alive Posted: 05 Aug 2003 01:19 AM
first off welcome to the forums but this has already been dicussed be4 and this is one of the lyrical clues that i think it one of the better ones but this has been discussed many times
Re: This clearly shows that he is alive Posted: 05 Aug 2003 01:31 AM
welcome,
dont rule out the lyrics being about the 94 shooting, coz he was ment 2 die from that hit by whoever set it up, so hes basically saying he knows all bout the rumour that hes ment 2 be dead(also he said he knew who set him up, cos he had people telling him) so thats all hes saying, hes ment be dead but hes not, also add to that the fact he was obsessed with death e.c.t, its hardly stupid 2 mention that mama cried, of course she wud he she thought he was ded, like any mother wud.he says hes worldwide, probley in the sense that he gets around everywere, had a good street rep,and he has alot of people in alot of places who tell him things and look out for him, so he aint hard 2 find.my take anyway.
Re: This clearly shows that he is alive Posted: 05 Aug 2003 01:34 AM
i don't know how it's from the 94 shooting, come on!, i'm mean read it , it explains it'self, his worldwind , i think hes travling cuz his been see in different countries
Edited by - BlueCrip on Aug 5, 4:34:10 PM
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Re: This clearly shows that he is alive Posted: 05 Aug 2003 01:39 AM
well if its the 96 shooting, how are there pictures of him in his final stages, none were ever took of him in hospital, now if its said that the autopsy pic is one of him in his final stages, then this debunks his lyrics that hes worldwide coz obviosly if this really is a genuine pic of him in his final stage then he his dead.
Re: This clearly shows that he is alive Posted: 05 Aug 2003 01:41 AM
He already knew that he would die so he made lyrics that reflected that
but I think that he was just messed up since a kid and had nothing better
to do but think about death. He would have probably been better if he had
gotten help earlier.
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Re: This clearly shows that he is alive Posted: 05 Aug 2003 01:42 AM
yeah it was fiction that his mama cried, like frank said, she had expected this day long b4 this happened, she didnt cry of grieve, she was a strong woman of grace he said, she turned of his machine and let him go with dignity.
Re: This clearly shows that he is alive Posted: 05 Aug 2003 01:45 AM
I dont see it that way. I think it would be difficult for him to be talking about th 94 shooting because there couldnt be any pictures of him in his final stages because he wasnt near death. There was a picture of him giving the bird to reporters as paramedics loaded him in the ambulance. Cant hardly be considered his last stages. That scenario fits the 96 shooting because on the autopsy picture he is dead & that is as final as you can get.
Re: This clearly shows that he is alive Posted: 05 Aug 2003 01:46 AM
yea but maby he made the fake pic cuz getting shot aint in your final stage, death is, yo in another song he also says " have ya seen me lately" and in the backgroud it goes mmmmmmmmmm
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misplaced hate makes disgrace to races
Re: This clearly shows that he is alive Posted: 05 Aug 2003 02:14 AM
look, listen to Shock G on the Thug Angel documentary.. Pac released all types of songs, and said, "Well if this happens, I have a song for it", "If that happens", etc etc.. He prophecised his death because he knew he would die in violence.. And I think that line refers to the 94 shooting when he was in the hospital, and some were saying that he wouldn't make it..
Re: This clearly shows that he is alive Posted: 05 Aug 2003 02:37 AM
he wrote songs about being shot, being stabed e.c.t he wrote about many ways 2 die, the kind of lifestyle he was living, he was gona die 1 of these ways, for intance if in 1 of his songs he says he gets stabed e.c.t, does that mean he didnt get shot on sept 13 but stabbed, of course not,just coz he mentioned it dont mean that it happened,people know he always wrote in this style way b4 deathrow and 94, just writing topics, just look at sum of ure own rhymes on here, people go on about killing people and guns, were they probley anint ever killed a thing or owned a gun. he was just fasinated by death,people hear what they wanna hear, they listen 2 a lyric that says "i got shot" e.c.t, and then make out theories and how it relates to the 96 shooting, but people dont hear the next line were he says he got shot in a hotel room by a hommie, that was just an example, u get me though, most of the lyrics people pull out, are taken way out of their context
like when in thugs mansion he says
i cry times i once contemplated suicide, now people wud jump on this and say he obviously thought through killing himself and accually made it happen on sept 13th
but they fail to realise the rest of the sentence that says "but all i could see was my momas eyes"
now that means he clearly didnt kill himslelf commit suicide of whatever, but the alive theorist leaves that next line out that basically debunkes the line before,that what i mean when his lyrics get taken out of context, u have 2 read the whole verrse as a whole to fully take in tupacs message and point, cos as we know when he wrote he told stories, so its no good picking out 3 word were he mentions a drive-by and saying he alive, u must read on, were 9 times out of ten, there is a logial explanation to what seemed a strange lyric before, now fits what hes talking about.
all the above points i made i used pure example, i know there not the best but hopefully u can read between the lines and c my point.
Re: This clearly shows that he is alive Posted: 05 Aug 2003 06:04 AM
i don't know how it's from the 94 shooting, come on!, i'm mean read it , it explains it'self, his worldwind , i think hes travling cuz his been see in different countries
"i heard rumor i died, murdered in cold blood traumatized
after the 94 shooting, a bunch of people thought that pac died, there was a rumor going around about that
"pictures of me in my final stages, u know mama cried"
he is elaborating on the fact that people thought he was dead
"but that was fiction, some coward got the story twisted, like i no longer existed mysteriously missing"
the rumor that he died as a result of the 94 shooting was fiction
"but im worldwide baby, i aint hard 2 find"
he is around, and not hard to find......he is alive (from the 94 shooting)
i mean it's that simple.....pac was talking about the 94 shooting!!!! all eyez on me was released before the 96 shooting even happened, so why would he use past tense.....
Re: This clearly shows that he is alive Posted: 05 Aug 2003 06:22 AM
Pac always talked in past tense and he recorded hundreds of songs in '96, so all these songs were recorded around the same time. But he don't really talk about Makaveli until DK7 was released then after that he always calls himself Makaveli. But all these songs were recorded together around the same time. He picked out his nonMakaveli songs and released those, and saved his Makaveli songs. Now we got seven years of Makaveli material. He didn't want to release Makaveli in AEOM, although he does mention him, and he also says good-bye to 2 Pac. And in most Makaveli songs he says he's still alive or still breathing or he's a ghost and he disappeared. He doesn't really say that in other '96 songs that were recorded at the same time. He waited. For Makaveli.
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Edited by - soldier4death on Aug 5, 9:21:35 PM
"Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again an
Re: This clearly shows that he is alive Posted: 05 Aug 2003 11:30 AM
The problem with this lyric being from the '94 shooting is that 2Pac was only in the hospital for one whole night: the night he got shot. He left the hospital the next night. The doctors never thought he would die, his mother, him, no one. He actually went to court the morning after he was shot. Check this excerpt from a Vibe article written in 4/95:
Vibe: At any point did you think you were going to die?
2Pac: No. I swear to God. Not to sound creepy or nothing-I felt God cared for me from the first time the niggas pulled the gun out. The only thing that hurt me was that Stretch and them all fell to the floor. The bullets didn't hurt. Nothing hurt until I was recovering. I couldn't walk, I couldn't get up, and my hand was fucked up. I was looking on the news and it was lying about me.
Vibe: What about all the jokes saying you had lost one of your testicles?
2Pac: That didn't really bother me, because I was, like, Shit, I'm going to get the last laugh. Because I've got bigger nuts than all these niggas. My doctors are, like, "You can have babies." They told me that the first night, after I got exploratory surgery: "Nothing's wrong. It went through the skin and out the skin." Same thing with my head. Through my skin and out the skin.
Vibe: Why did you leave Bellevue Hospital?
2Pac: I left Bellevue the next night. They were helping me, but I felt like a science project. They kept coming in, looking at my dick and shit, and this was not a cool position to be in. I knew my life was in danger. The Fruit of Islam was there, but they didn't have guns. I knew what type of niggas I was dealing with.
So I left Bellevue and went to Metropolitan. They gave me a phone and said, "You're safe here. Nobody knows you're here." But the phone would ring and someone would say, "You ain't dead yet?" I was, like, Damn! Those motherfuckers don't have no mercy. So I checked myself out, and my family took me to a safe spot, somebody who really cared about me in New York City.
Sounds like he might not have been talking about the '94 shooting. Got this from <ahref="http://www.hitemup.com">http://www.hitemup.com</a> if you want to read the rest. Holla.
Re: This clearly shows that he is alive Posted: 05 Aug 2003 02:55 PM
or maybe he went talking bout 94 or 96, coz he always wrote bout death and ways of dying e.c.t,doesnt mean every 1 is connected to either the 94 or 96 shooting, id say 95% of the 1 u hear are about nothing in particular, just made up thoughts, the other 5% are about 94.
Re: This clearly shows that he is alive Posted: 05 Aug 2003 06:34 PM
"after the 94 shooting, a bunch of people thought that pac died, there was a rumor going around about that"
Funny, I dont remeber it that way & I am the same age as Pac is/was. I was actually aware of this happening. His picture was on the news (minutes after the shooting) & they made it clear that he was NOT DEAD. I also recall that famous picture of him flipping the bird being in the paper the next morning. Again the article said he was in good condition. The news reported on him leaving the hospital & going to an undisclosed location & everything. There was no rumour back then.
